12:00 posting (intentional)
Scribe: for my storyreel...
12:07 Scribe: still researching, but have found Ix Chebel Yax resembles Ix Chel (?) Cosmic Weaver... I went with Ix Chebel Yax as a Mayan historical / mythological waypoint for A Wandering Mind ... [ pulling notes ] I liked the yax part ...
12:12 v- of course you did
12:13 Scribe: came across this tidbit yesterday in trying to find out why there aren’t different hieroglyphs for blue & green (just yax blue/green)
12:15 Posting Scribe: it’s not just a Mayan thing. It makes sense (thinking of pigments) - their Mayan blue when mixed (and even when dry) is blue-green... I’m also thinking of the waters in and around Mexico, the Caribbean & Central America ... maybe they did have different colors (associated with objects/nature)... but we only have so much of their recorded history, which includes now having only a few (main) codices (Madrid, Dresden, Paris, and possibly Grolier) - these texts in many ways were copies & fragments of older texts ... and, of course, there is only so much on the web & in my few books & resources that I have to refer to
12:24 Scribe: getting ready for my teaching moments this coming Saturday at my kids’ craft corner where they’ll be designing Mayan hieroglyphic bookmarks on handmade hu’un paper - sustainably made (all proud)
12:26 v- and authentic
Scribe: yes, yes, yes... I curate
v- and well
12:26 Scribe: that dreaded question came at me (as expected) last Saturday about fair trade ... trust me: I’m TRYING... to make sure everything is sustainable, nontoxic, and archival ...
12:27 my Mayan collection is.
v- yeah, I know it is
12:28 Scribe: most of my line is - I have a few gray area products that, yes, meet the “non-toxic” standard (that’s what vendors claim & certify), but I still have some questions to ask (regarding chemical compositions) ... I am well aware of fair trade. Not to be grumpy, but my own work ethic (workaholic) isn’t fair trade (I sell my products NOT factoring in my time)...
12:31 V- so, what did you say?
Scribe: most are & that I try to curate / make sustainable (fair trade-able) products, but that I’m still doing research & that I’m just starting out... I test out all my products (and vendors’ services) to keep my product valuable (quality) but also want to keep my prices low enough to be affordable
v- and competitive
Scribe: but, yes, it was in regards to my lapis lazuli ...
v- ha ha, I know
Scribe: I have a general knowledge about where the stone is quarried ... and my vendor is who produces the pigment - so, I think I’m ok... it’s the whole how is it quarried, but my guess is that it is fair trade ... it isn’t super cheap (still high quality, in my opinion) - it’s just more affordable because it doesn’t come from the Middle East. I told her that I was curious (artistically) & that so far there is no manmade more sustainable LL pigment (that matches the color). We talked about YnMn... and how even that isn’t readily accessible and is MORE expensive than the LL (which isn’t an excuse, I realize).
12:39 Scribe: again, I encourage wise use of the pigment ...
v- that will last (the art: a lifetime)
Scribe: and tips about how to reuse (if watercolors, use a rinsing water well just for LL, let it dry & reuse (by adding your binder, water)
12:40 Scribe: erg, I KNEW that question would come ... it’s my favorite color
v- I know it is...
[ shower ]
13:06 Scribe: so you asked about what my gray area pigments were ( my standard, not other vendor standards)?
Scribe: let me pull up my curated colors...
13:07 Scribe: I have MSDS (material safety and data sheets) for most of my pigments except a few
v- but you are going to create your own
Scribe: I want a uniform form... I'm detail-oriented. Some of the MSDS's are poorly pixelated and the format is atrocious. [ it creates more work for me, but once done, I have documents / templates I can reuse/update if necessary)
13:09 ACMI is one certification - Arts and Creative Materials Institute Certified (conforms to ASTM D 4236...)
13:12 [ checking photo ] yup, same certification I found on a pre-made paint kit at a craft store the other day... that does NOT include an ingredients list (preservatives, additives)... what I can say about my product line is that you get more pure pigment and the ingredients are archival (I do my research on the pigments, which many are historical and there are masterpieces, ceramics, murals, that have lasted millennia)
13:15 Scribe: what I suspect with many common retailers is that they buy pre-made shelveable (increased shelf life) paints and inks, but what that means is that there is much less pure pigment because there are additives (again, no ingredients list to know what they are... although they conform to "ASTM D 4236"
This practice describes the standard procedure for developing precautionary labels for art materials to provide chronic health hazard and precautionary statements based on knowledge that exists in the scientific and medical communities. These statements concern hazards known to be associated with a product or product component(s) when it is present in a physical form, volume, or concentration that in the opinion of a toxicologist has the potential to produce a chronic adverse health effect. This practice applies exclusively to art materials packaged in sizes intended for individual users of any age or those participating in a small group, and does not apply to products appropriately labeled for known chronic health hazards. Also, this practice does not specify test methods for determining whether a substance or product presents adverse chronic health effects. Labels should include the signal word WARNING, list of potentially chronic hazards, name of chronically hazardous component(s), safe handling instructions, list of sensitizing components, information sources, labeling content and product size, and other supplementary information.
13:19 Scribe: I go a few steps further in my research: I look at chemical compositions, and if there are any "suspect" minerals (heavy metals, for example).
In my collection, there are:
absolutely no lead-based pigments
absolutely no cadmium pigments
and for interested parties, I quickly chat with them about some historical pigments that are highly toxic:
cinnabar (contains mercury)
In my collection I focus on many historical pigments - but NON-TOXIC
in my collection: clay-based, loams, (yellow, green, blue) ochres, lapis lazuli...
Now, yes, the red ochre contains iron oxide... and the earth black is carbon-based (which I found in one reference as "moderately toxic pigments")
however, it's about the exposure you will have with these pigments. I like to make the anecdote about how kids draw with chalk on sidewalks and driveways, how adults and kids alike sit around firepits or campfires - are they wearing masks and gloves? There is more exposure to dust and soot in those situations than occasionally mixing paints/inks with dry pigments.
13:25 Scribe: yes, if you work frequently with dry pigments, wear gloves and particulate/dust mask (as I do). On my MSDS's I will slap on the cautionary message about handling dry pigments - which is standard.
13:29 I try to do my homework, but on some sites they list the pigments as non-toxic and on others they deem them "moderately toxic"
Let's call my ancient pigments (Egyptian, Mayan) mostly non-toxic (iron oxide red and carbon black being the "suspects") My medieval hematite [red] limonite [yellow], woad [blue] are all non-toxic - if you consider the iron oxide in hematite to be non-toxic... I need a chemist to answer these questions ;-) - it's on my to-do list ]
primary blue (Children's color collection): Si4O10(OH)2Mg3
The problem with some colors is that I have a color in mind to match that collection ... [ and non-toxic to mostly non-toxic *my designation* isn't available ]
Once we get into more modern times - MANMADE synthetic pigments, we get into more toxic ingredients. These ingredients may make up a small part of the chemical composition, and as such, they are certified non-toxic... and so, here are the gray area pigments in my collection [ even though the vendor has certified them as non-toxic ]
thyme green Cr203 [ chrome oxide ] [ elsewhere I found this green is FDA approved (Section 178.3297) ]
violet (mimics Tyrian purple) - has a mineral base attached to an azo organic pigment
the toxicity of AZO pigments varies. By what I found, this violet is non-toxic (and certified as such)
other azo organic pigments in my main collections (children's kit) are:
These are additional colors in my full collection [ certified non-toxic by my vendor, but elsewhere some (*) include ingredients are listed moderately toxic ]
*Turquoise: Si4O10(OH)2Mg3-Co3Ca-Cr203 [ contains cobalt, chromium(III) oxide ]
*Light Blue: CaCO3+C32N8H16Cu [ contains copper ]
*Cyan: C32H16N8CuCAS+BASO4 [ contains copper phthalocyanine ]
Orange: has a mineral base attached to an azo organic pigment
14:04 Scribe: perhaps my concerns are unfounded ... they are "FDA approved" conform to "ASTM D 4236" and ACMI certified... but my research continues
v- never hurts to err on the side of caution
Scribe: that and I only sell very small portions of the dry pigment (in my kits) ... 1/4 teaspoon to 3 tsp containers. Again, exposure (duration, frequency and quantity) level to dry dust is a factor to consider, as with anything ( no one wants to sit all night in a smoke bath if you're sitting near a campfire )
v- I think you're ok
Scribe: IDK... I just want people to be aware that I do read beyond the "certified" and "FDA approved" ... we all know labels change... as I was telling my children the other day: they once sold COCAINE in cough syrup
14:11 Scribe: we all should use...
v- common sense
Scribe: and be aware of what we are all sensitive to: foods, drinks... and what we handle on a daily basis, whether it's while gardening (be aware that many lawn care products and gardening (potting) soils are NOT non-toxic...) or in our own home (cleaning supplies)...
14:13 v- thank you
Scribe: again, I'm not trying to explain away some of my choices
v- there are no other color choices!
Scribe: I found other earth colors (i.e. earth green)
v- s--- brown
Scribe: I didn't 't even get a sample because I could just tell by the online photo that when adding a binder and water it'd turn an ugly color... some vibrancy you can tell even by online colors
v- and in person
14:14 Scribe: not all ochres are the same
V- no, they are not... tell the story
Scribe: about the baby poop yellow? yes, I tried one ochre out - and ew. Not good. I went with a more vibrant natural yellow
14:16 Scribe: to wrap up (and to bring this back around to the Mayan theme): I just love the story of Mayan Blue... here's a blurb of what I found about Mayan Blue
[ searching ]
14:18 Scribe: to save time [ and not try to find the exact source to paste here ] I'll paraphrase.
An article I read last summer/fall was about how scientists/archaeologists were amazed that this pigment stood the test of time in such humid climates - it is colorfast.
v- the secret's in the sauce
Scribe: [ chuckles ] something like that
14:20 v- thank you...
Scribe: talking shop can be boring... I include it here
v- because it'll go away. I know.
Scribe: LOL, hm, hm. It's good to plug it in here so I can come back later as I whittle away at the Crafty Scribe to-do list
[ re reading ]
v- can you mention?
Scribe: I was going to do other things
v- for your other job
Scribe: yes... but I had a personal health day
V- you had a stomach ache
Scribe: I usually am pretty healthy, and just needed to lie down for a while (messed up my whole rhythm/routine).. IDK what it was - cramps, gas, what I ate late last night? ( I had a couple organic fruit strips)
v- you are such a child
Scribe: I wanted a snack ,and it wasn't a HORRIBLE snack... alhgouth the time I had them might have given me indigestion
v- and you didn't eat dinner
Scribe: I ate lunch at 3- 3:30PM... so, no...
v- but you're better now?
Scribe: yes, relaxing on the couch helped
V- .... and?
Scribe: I got a few chuckles out of Glow. from the very beginning. "Warrior" [ by Patti Smyth ]...? really? to start out the show? Funny.
V- it's in your playlist
Scribe: yes, it is.
v- what else?
Scribe: I'm not mentioning anything else (my overanalysis)... all I'll say is you ... Trickster?
Scribe: ...were there with me... soothing me?
V- yes, dear
Scribe: hm... yet to be determined (confirmed). But... as I said earlier, if you had a part in my SOOTHING... thank you
v- you're welcome ... and last night?
Scribe: you're referring to this morning at 02:20
V- that's all you have to say
Scribe: I was working late again...
v- staying up too late
Scribe: well... I did get a few things done... but, yes, started to fall asleep and ... [ coughs ] at your prompting
v- multiple... prompts
Scribe: finally went to bed
Scribe: nothing... was there something I was suppose to mention?
V- [ chuckles ] stop. Did you sleep well?
Scribe: yeah, I slept ok.
V- what time did you get up?
Scribe: officially GOT UP around 8 am
V- hm. not much sleep.
14:36 Scribe: signing off
Scribe: love you, too
14:44 Scribe: [ serious ] You're going to have to answer for all your frickin' posts
v- will you stop!?
Scribe: FOUR YEARS
V- are you referring to the COINCIDENCE post [ all hoity toity ]
Scribe: yes, I am. If it isn't - WHICH I AM WELL AWARE - then, fine. However, if you ARE TPically connected
v- I am... C..
Scribe: I HATE having to continually see s--- and CONTINUALLY ...
v- be left in the dark
Scribe: having to deal with all the possibilities is what bothers me... when there is a simple solution ... and it ain't happenin'
v- it will, ok? [ gently ][
v- don't be pissy
Scribe: this will go away. I just feel the need to VENT. once again. I'm switching gears and stepping away from the digital plane. I need to.
V- you don't LIKE me
Scribe: I never do
v- double entendre....
Scribe: something like that
Scribe: I AM WELL AWARE! ... Again, I am a conflicted woman
Scribe: Why I even share is beyond me... it never leads me to that destination
v- sorry... hey, go do what you need to do, ok? ILY
Scribe: just ... erg. go do what YOU need to do... don't let me dissuade you... just post whatever you feel you need to post. My opinion doesn't matter. [ mumbling ]
v- will you stop...
14:50 Scribe: focusing on more productive things...
v- this was productive
Scribe: sort of ... gotta go, ok? I love you... this is n't easy...
v- I know it's not... sorry
Scribe: it's just my perspective, which I am very aware is skewed and I try to ...
v- keep a baseline... I know. I am well aware of that f----ing baseline
Scribe: you have your s--- to deal with, too. Sorry.
V- back to what you needed to do, c